politicians have never ever in all out history really made a difference because of this system! and this is not going to change!...no country is happy with their politicians...which means, every politician is just motivated by one thing.
be it more money, status or in the us the white house.
it´s all over the world the same. and politicians have been the same ever since they came up with this fucked up idea of voting and opressing people with hirarchies.
the us will still play the role of the world police and tell everyone what to do or not.
...and he will not play against the economy! so, no difference.
"politicians" are not aliens or robots. they are human beings. trying to say that all politicians have the same motivations (whether you are talking about Hitler, Chuchill, Bush, Stalin, or Obama) is pure ridiculousness.
and plenty of politicians have made HUGE differences, just see the list above. you think that Hitler being in power made no difference to Jewish people (as one example).
Afghanistan: regardless of whether i think the US should be in Afghanistan or not, because of 9-11 it is seen as a national security issue and there are concrete ties to Al Quaeda and The Taliban in Afghanistan, and as an area that harbors "terrorists".
fuck national security. where is security for the people in afghanistan when the us troops bomb the rest of what´s left from there cities?!? even though, there has never been a thread to the us ever from taliban or al quaeda, accept americans been in the middle east. 9-11 was an inside job get over it people.
it´s horrible to tell it´s ok to go down to another continent and kill people there because they drove plains in 3 or 4 buildings...because it never happened!!!
i'm not saying that I
believe this, i am saying it is a reality that Obama has to deal with.
i would say that there has been a proven threat (and a well documented one) from Al Quaeda. there is no reliable evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.
either way, i don't condone the US policy in Afghanistan. the point was that Obama has to deal with the reality of the opinions of the US public that elected him. pulling out of Afghanistan is not a possibility for his administration, at least not at first.
1. we don't know what form the "war on terror" will take under Obama. my best guess is that it will be vastly different than that of the Bush administration, primarily because the Bush admin, was primarily motivated by the oil industry, and using fear tactics to maintain population control. this is in stark contrast to the mood that Obama has already set.
i think you´re hoping this. obama has nothing to say when the oil companies talk.
2. as a president of the US i don't think it would really be possible for Obama to also just abandon military operations in Afghanistan, too many people in the US see "fighting terrorism" there as necessity.
they see it?!?...how many have been there?!? and saw IT?!?
necassity?!? so, obama is still the same as bush, cause he can not or does not want to convince people that this is wrong.
i assume he sees it as the right thing to do?!?!?!...thats stupid. really.
again you are misunderstanding my point. there are direct connections between the oil industry and the Bush administration (among others). they are very strong connections.
still be some connections with Obama, and regardless, securing energy sources will remain a "national security interest", again, not an opinion i necessarily agree with, but a political reality.
one thing we DO
know, is that Obama deliberately sought donations for his campaign from individuals and not from lobbying groups, which lessens the debt he owes these groups when he is in office. that in and of itself is a big step in the US political process.
yes of course i know all of this, i am very familiar with the region and the Pashtun tribes. i don't think you can jump to conclusions about Pakistan, and with Obama's stress on international diplomacy i don't believe that his administration would be interested in starting an international conflict with a nation like Pakistan, which has both a large military and nuclear weapons, and who has been an ally of sorts in recent history. especially since Pakistan is a Muslim nation, and the US needs all of the support we can get in that area.
especially because they do have!!!!!!...the us government is afraid of other countries useing nuclear arms.
you know, fear is a crazy thing, makes people and governments do crazy stuff.
obama is with the government now and he´s most likley crazy like every other politician!!
the evidence says otherwise, the US has never invaded any nation that has nuclear weapon capabilities. the US government has over and over again been willing to deal carefully and diplomatically with nuclear nations, N. Korea and Iran are great examples of this. having nuclear weapon capabilities is actually one of the best deterrents to prevent US intervention.
and again, politicians are merely human beings, they aren't a maniacal race of beings that somehow happen to gain power.
do you have any evidence that Obama will support Turkey in persecution of the Kurdish minority? actually, one thing that Obama has said is that he will recognize the Armenian genocide in Turkey, which is not a popular move for Turkey at all. In addition Biden has been pretty involved in propositions for Iraq that include a Kurdish state. i think you are just guessing here and assuming the worst possible. of course the worst may come true, but i don't see evidence at this point to think that Obama will give blanket support to Turkey in the matter of the Kurdish independence movement there.
sure i´m just assuming and guessing!!...what else to do, call the white house and ask for the next move?!?
it´s just looking at governments all over the world how they fooled people just to gain more and more profit for them selfs.
that´s what makes me write this things.
what should you do?
you should gather reliable evidence and collect information on an individual's past and public statements and policies.
if you want to know what my opinions and possible future actions are the best place to look would not be a gossip magazine, or or some random person posting a blog on the internet. might as well believe a blog that says Obama is an alien.
you don´t need evidence in this case now to overthrow obama or what ever. the situation the world is in right now, should be evidence enough that this system and all their collaborators are full of shit and don´t give a damn!
i really hope this will change but until i don´t see change i will not infavor anyone. and i will not go to vote for people who don´t care about life on this planet.
ok, good for you. don't vote if you don't want to.
my point is not that Obama is going to change the world in some big sense, it is that Obama being president has the possibility of making some people's lives better.
i also think you underestimate the degree that most Americans dislike the war in Iraq, and how much they would rather have the military home. in addition, as a purely political situation, the nation can't afford to keep troops in Iraq indefinitely for a number of reasons, or even in another new area in the region (Iran/ Pakistan/ Syria).
maybe. but i think aswell bush tried to bring the people home, but this could have been done long time ago.
if the military is home in the beginning of next year as obama is in charge, i believe you! otherwise some, a whole lot of them will stay in the region!
Obama has a plan for withdrawal from Iraq, it's on the campaign website, i think it is supposed to be a 16 month plan, leaving a small amount of military there to protect US citizens, and provide limited aid to the Iraqi govt. but with no plans for permanent military bases.
yeah, sure some things, maybe many things aren't going to change that much. BUT to say that there is/ could be no difference between Obama as president and Bush as president doesn't make sense.
there are differences between all politicians...befor an election .....[/quote]
again, politicians are human beings.
to some extent i agree, there are policies that many will keep a lid on to enhance their electability, for instance even though i agree with a lot of the policies of Nader or Kucinich, they would never have a chance of getting elected. we will have to see how "socialist" Obama really is once he gets into office.